Friday, May 05, 2006

Set Top DVD Recording


I've used an Ilo DVDR05 unit over the past 9 months or so for my TV recording needs. The low $100 price was just simply irresistible as a replacement for my dead VCR unit. At first, it seemed like a step up from my VCR. Lately, I'm just not so sure.

The technology of set top recorders always seemed a little suspect to me. With a DVD recorder in your computer, there are always issues of compatibility with discs, interrupted streams of info, and disc formats. I wasn't sure at first if a dedicated unit would solve those issues, or just inherit and magnify them. Could this little box really save a TV signal to a disc "on the fly?" This was the equivalent in a desktop of copying a disc from drive to drive, without saving to the hard drive first. While a few had luck with recording this way, everyone knows that saving the info to a hard drive produces a far more stable workflow and burn.

I originally intended the Ilo to record to DVD+RW discs. I generally time shift, watch once, and then can erase it as I don't intend to watch it again. After some initial success with the Imation DVD+RW discs, the whole batch of them starting dying. Forget the often touted thousand rewrites. This was around 10 rewrites, and the disc was dead. So much for that plan.

I contacted the company via email, and surprisingly, received a response. They advised me to update the firmware, and use the DVD+R discs as they were more reliable. The firmware update is a time consuming process as I needed to separately download the "front end" and "back end" files, and burn each separately to a CDR. These each had to be inserted into the unit for the upgrade that took a while. The whole upgrade affair took an hour out of my life, but now 16x discs were supported.

I was using the DVD+R discs, on the 7 hour speed setting. The plan was to record 6 one hour episodes on each disc. I always allow 2 minutes before and after to ensure that I record the whole show. However, what I'm calling "the Ilo bugaboos" started again. On one disc on the 6th show, and on another on the 5th, there was only 55 minutes of video! This was rather annoying an unexpected as the last 5 minutes of the show were completely cut off!

My theory is that perhaps the discs were slightly warped. The DVD+R's are written from the center out so that the more you put on the disc, the more likely we'll encounter the "warp effect." What confuses me is that these problematic discs are from two different spindles, and different types of media. Furthermore, I've recorded other discs from the same spindle in computer DVD recorders with no issues of any sort.

My current workaround is to record on DVD+R at the 7 hour speed, and stop at 4 hours. Perhaps this will address the shortcoming and avoid further "Ilo bugaboos."

Is DVD recording just always going to be unstable by nature? Rather than recording directly to a disc, going to a hard drive should be a more stable configuration. Unfortunately, these hard drive units are still quite expensive, and haven't filtered down to the budget price point. Maybe I'll look for a VCR in the meantime!

While I like not having to hunt for my show on a videotape, at least with the VCR the content was there, it was just a matter of finding it. The set top DVD recorder is probably a transition device, along the way to a more stable recording solution.

As always, I look forward to your comments.

--Jonas

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11 Comments:

Blogger Bill said...

Jonas, Jonas, Jonas... How many times do I have to say, "Use your computer as a PVR, Young Videographer?"

(Actually, I think that's the first time I ever said it...)

I have 9 VCRS (2 Betas!), 2 Laser Disc players, a portable Sony TV that can record to 8mm tape, one of the original Panasonic set-top DVRs, and five PVR empowered computers. I stopped using all the rest after I hooked the computers up for PVR duty.

Why?

With a computer-based PVR you can set recording to the highest quality, start as early as you like, and end as late as you want. The boundary is your hard disk.

Video editing software is relatively cheap and quite good. I use Ulead's Video Studio and I can strip out the commercials and start rendering my 43 or so minutes of TV video into any quality level I want within 15 minutes.

The same software creates my DVDs. (I have 400+ of the little buggers at this point... which reminds me, I need to put this season's Supernatural on disc this weekend) ) I use Stomper software to make the labels. None of this silly and time cosuming "lightscribe" stuff and it's more cost effective than a DVD printer.

You don't need a TiVo or a DVR or a VCR... A computer with a dual core processor (in case you want to surf the web while recording), a DVD burner, a PVR card, and some editing software make life easy. And for the 60% of the time you're not recording, you have a computer too. Wow...

8:04 AM  
Blogger rapcomp said...

Good luck finding a VCR. Mine died over a month ago, It took a couple of weeks to find a store that had more than one VCR. Most have only combo VCR/DVD recorders. I'm in the proccess of convincing my wife a PC based PVR is a better option.

8:37 AM  
Blogger digitaldoc said...

Great advice Bill. I think a DVR is the way to go when I can't find a VCR. I just can't believe that Windows is going to be more reliable than a dedicated unit.

9:27 AM  
Blogger Bill said...

C'mon, rapcomp, haven't you a Radio Shack nearby?

10:56 AM  
Blogger Bill said...

Reasons why a computer is more reliable than a DVR:

1. It will never flash 12:00:00 at you
2. You can splice out commercials from a real keyboard and mouse and not the tiny chicklets on the remote.
3. You don't have to finalize your DVD to watch a program somewhere else.
4. TiVO doesn't get to have a list of your viewing habits.
5. You're not constrained by the temporal size of a disc.

I'll leave the other five for David Letterman...

11:01 AM  
Blogger rapcomp said...

For some reason, Radio Shack is the last place I look for that type of thing. I guess it goes back to when it was a great place for parts. It's still OK for parts, but not as good as it was.

12:27 PM  
Blogger digitaldoc said...

I'm with you Rapcomp. I don't think I have ever bought anything at Radio Shack, aand I live within walking distance of one!

1:54 PM  
Blogger Bill said...

I bought two VCRs at Radio Shack. Both worked flawlessly. I still have the Model 65 and it has a commercial skip that's outstanding.

2:15 PM  
Blogger rapcomp said...

It's not that I don't shop at Radio Shack. I still have a Tandy 1000sx I bought new in the mid 80's. And I just got my second set of intercoms there. I just don't think of them for the more common things like VCR's or TV's. I think of them more for things like plugs , connectors, wire and parts like resistors, capacitors etc. I guess it's like people that buy gas at a service station but don't take their car for repairs, even though they do them.

7:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Currently recording HD content off digital cable with a dual core AMD system that cost me around $1K to put together. The RF device is distributed by www.autumnwave.com and comes with the software to create a record schedule. The system can record HD or SD. A 1 hr HD program gobbles up about 8 gig of drive space. Have not tried to burn to DVD, and I'm not removing the commercials like Bill. The computer drives my HD display and makes very nice picture.

7:49 AM  
Blogger digitaldoc said...

Sounds like you have this down Gyro!

3:18 PM  

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