A VCR Replacement
...You Can't Always Get What You Want
In fact, I recently purchased an inexpensive hard drive recorder, the Polaroid 2001G, which retails for $219 at Wally Mart. I'll fill y'all in on all the gory details when I've had a chance to use it some more. In the meantime, maybe it's just buyer's remorse, but there are enough issues to get me to reexamine my selection and purchase.
If anyone thinks that this is simple doesn't want to take everything into account. First of all there is the lowly VCR. They still work, and can be had for less than $50 with some searching. The tapes are reusable for many times. However, it has had its day, and there are no new movies being released on tape at this point. In the end, it's very yesteryear, analog, and the antithesis of cutting edge.
The next step up is a DVD Recorder. This can theoretically write to DVD's, both of the write once, and the rewritable variety. My Ilo generally works ok, as long as the discs are the write once variety. I had some initial success with Imation DVD+RW's, but within the tenth use, the disc was already corrupted. Not exactly the thousand times promised. I've also lost content due to corrupted discs that were new, but didn't perform. I think part of the problem is that a TV stream is a fragile thing, and recording a DVD is hardly reliable in this day and age. These set top boxes, with their media compatibility issues, are clearly two notches less reliable than computer DVD writers.
So, after spending some time on the AVS Forum, I come to the conclusion that currently, the hard drive recorders are the best of the worst. These are units mostly made by Panasonic, Phillips, Pioneer, and LiteOn. They can record TV programs to their hard drive for later viewing. The better ones support basic video editing, live TV pause, and hard drives that can be swapped for a larger capacity disc. For content to keep, it is burned to an DVD disc. However, many users have issues with these products. These include clunky software interfaces, confusing remotes, and loud fan and drive noise. It is almost enough to cause you to scurry back to a cheap VCR.
Now that we're all up to speed, there are some more issues to consider. One is that if you want a really good box to record shows, you're often best off by building it yourself in the form of a home theater PC. This is sure to impress your friends, and annoy your significant other with a nest of cables running around and on top of the TV set. However, this will give plenty of hard drive space, and the ultimate in control of your media. I'll defer to Bill on the final word here as I know he's been going full force in this area for a while now.
Another monkey wrench that has me wondering relates to the end of the analog signal. After several false starts, it appears that early 2009 date is holding, and that broadcasters will go exclusively to an HDTV signal. Older televisions will reportedly be able to get a signal via some type of convertor box that sounds like an old style cable box. Set the TV to channel 3, for example, and use the convertor remote to select a channel. However, it appears that all these current analog recording devices, whether VCR, DVD recorder, or hard drive recorder, will not be usable. This hardly makes me want to spend serious money on something that is virtually guaranteed to be a relic in less than two and a half years.
Think I'm done yet? I warned you that this isn't easy! No, one more thing to take into account is that the networks are doing a better job of providing their content on line. For example, I missed Fox's “Vanished,” last night. I headed over the the Fox web site, and they will stream it to you. Across a DSL connection, the audio was quite good but the video was pixelated on some scenes on my 19” LCD. It may have looked a little better on a smaller screen. Still, for a personal viewing experience, it was adequate, although they only have the most recent episode so archivers will not find this acceptable. On the other hand, it was totally commercial free, and I could even speed it up so the episode played a little faster.
Ok, so now I've laid out the issues. I'll keep playing around with the Polaroid hard drive recorder to decide if it stays or goes. If it was easy, it wouldn't be worth writing an article or two about...
--Jonas
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I feel your pain. Having kept two VCR's going for several years for time shifting, I'm now doing it with an AMD dual-core box I built myself. I use a tuner sold by AutumnWave http://www.autumnwave.com/content/view/24/67/. It does HD, SD, off-air and digital cable.
The impetus behind the switch was to be able to record HD which this system will do. What's really cool is that all the local HD stations are on digital cable and are not encrypted. The AutumnWave box can see them all and has a built-in record schedule. No cable box required.
But to be perfectly honest, it's a tinkerer's delight. The system works well, but would never hack it for the average consumer.
TIVO I'm told is neat but you rent it. I don't rent. That's why I built my own. What's needed is a consumer friendly box that will record to a hard drive either in SD or HD, and contain a DVD writer so you can archive to a DVD. The manufacturer's keep dancing around this product but so far no one has the ideal solution - at least I haven't seen it.
Does this mean my beta decks are obsolete?
I don't think of Tivo because it's more of a service than a device in my mind. I'm not into renting when I can own.
I'm going to look into building a home theater pc, but it won't be done at the rate I research things in time for the TV season starting real soon. One concern is that it won't record an HDTV signal. More specifically, everyone raves about the Hauppaugue WinTV cards, but they appear to not support HDTV when I was looking at them earlier today. Of course I can upgrade in two years, but I can just as easily wait a year to just build it right in the first place.
Thanks again for your comments Gyro. If you'd like to post some images of your setup and a quick writeup, just let me know.
Bill, if you can record your tv show, and see it later, then as far as I'm concerned, your BetaMax deck is working better than a lot of the junk out there!
--Jonas
I'll have to take a pix or two and get it to you. Right now the computer sits on the floor next to my 30" 16x9 TV which sits on a credenza type of affair. Eventually it will become part of a large entertainment center.
The AutumnWave box goes for around $275 and requires only power, RF, and a USB connection to the computer. It will do analog NTSC cable and off air, as well as 8VSB HD off air and digital cable that is not encrypted. It records HD directly to the hard drive and uses about 8 GB for a 1 hour program. It also records SD programs which obviously take up less HD space. I use a 320 GB sata drive to store the media.
The biggest pain was to get the ATI X1300 to output video only on the digital port and computer on the analog port for control, but I finally got it figured out. The ATI drives the HDMI input of the TV at 1920 x 1080i and looks good. I've wondered whether an NVidia card wouldn't have been a better idea but was not familiar enough with NVidia to give it a try.
The computer is an AMD 3800 dual core and it hardly breaks a sweat when recording or playing back HD. I built it myself and have about $1K in it less the monitor which I already had.
Betamax was always the better quality format but Panasonic had better marketing! And poor Bill still has his laser discs!
We'd love to see it Gyro. Maybe you'll inspire me...
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But since most of us don't know the difference it won't matter.
Digital TV is not the same as HDTV. One thing for sure is that analog will be dead in Februry 2009.
No it won't. Cable companies will be delivering anolog TV to homes for years to come.
Well, for us in the over the air crowd, analog will be as dead as a doornail.
Bill I wouldn't count on the cable companies holding on to their analog channels for any length of time. Comcast in this area has most of the analog offerings on digital already, essentially duplicating the services. The intent is clearly to do away with analog because they can cram more signal into the same amount of spectrum using compression techniques.
Take a hard look at some of the digital channels and you can see the compression artifacts. Digital does not equal high quality, just at DTV does not equal HD. The cable and satellite companies have been pulling the wool over the eyes of consumers with this digital hype for years.
Clearly the local TV channels that the satellite companies offer take the biggest hit. They look just awful because the amount of bandwidth allocated to the local channels is minimal.
"You get what you pay for" does not necessarily apply in this case.
They're not going to hold onto them at all. But they required by law to provide a video signal that's viewable on an analog set wel pas the 2009 deadline.. That will require a box so current "cable ready" TVs will be obsolete. They've started that already by removing teh Speed Channel from "any ol' TV" basic cable to you have to have our digital box basic cable.
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